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		<title>By: Initial Reactions to 3.1 — Kestrel's Aerie</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>Initial Reactions to 3.1 — Kestrel's Aerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not going to get into the whole WoWMatrix vs. Curse and WoW Interface discussion; it’s more than adequately covered at NoStockUI. Suffice to say, I’m satisfied with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ithato</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Ithato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kaelten</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaelten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are question for authors, not hosting sites.  

As an addon author, I reserve the right to dictate hosting.   Such is my right and there are various reasons, including controlling the distribution and ensuring support is quality.  Also being able to respond to my users in a timely fashion.

Many addon authors aren&#039;t in it for the popularity.  Many of us just do it because we enjoy it and want to, sharing it is just a bonus.

The assumptions that we&#039;re all in it to get our 15 mins of fame by having as much exposure and users as possible is invalid.  Some are in it for those reasons, many are not.

And yes, many authors if burned by a site acting as it should not and then being elusive about it they will not allow a site to host any more of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are question for authors, not hosting sites.  </p>
<p>As an addon author, I reserve the right to dictate hosting.   Such is my right and there are various reasons, including controlling the distribution and ensuring support is quality.  Also being able to respond to my users in a timely fashion.</p>
<p>Many addon authors aren&#8217;t in it for the popularity.  Many of us just do it because we enjoy it and want to, sharing it is just a bonus.</p>
<p>The assumptions that we&#8217;re all in it to get our 15 mins of fame by having as much exposure and users as possible is invalid.  Some are in it for those reasons, many are not.</p>
<p>And yes, many authors if burned by a site acting as it should not and then being elusive about it they will not allow a site to host any more of it.</p>
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		<title>By: hostile</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>hostile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, but that still doesn&#039;t really answer my question.

If a site is giving you credit for your work why would you not want them to get the word out about your addon?  Again, I have yet to see any instance of wowmatrix removing author information in their client.

I guess isn&#039;t the point of writing an addon  to get it into as many user&#039;s hands as possible?  Otherwise why bother putting it online at all?

Is it simply a matter of making a point to ask wowmatrix to take it down, &quot;because they didn&#039;t ask me first?&quot;.  Is this sticking point more important than the original purpose of creating the addon to begin with?  The first thing I learned in my journalism classes in college was, &quot;it&#039;s always better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.&quot;  A little cynical I know, hehe, but if what you are saying is true they aren&#039;t even asking for forgiveness and that&#039;s troublesome.  If wowmatrix is truly not honoring these requests then there really isn&#039;t much else to say.

I do give you credit and appreciate you making yourself available to respond to the blog comments like this.  I just wish, if wowmatrix&#039;s intentions are pure/honorable/etc, that they would make some kind of public statement.  But maybe their silence is all the response that the community needs.

(Please excuse any spelling or grammar errors, I&#039;m posting from my bb on my way home.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but that still doesn&#8217;t really answer my question.</p>
<p>If a site is giving you credit for your work why would you not want them to get the word out about your addon?  Again, I have yet to see any instance of wowmatrix removing author information in their client.</p>
<p>I guess isn&#8217;t the point of writing an addon  to get it into as many user&#8217;s hands as possible?  Otherwise why bother putting it online at all?</p>
<p>Is it simply a matter of making a point to ask wowmatrix to take it down, &#8220;because they didn&#8217;t ask me first?&#8221;.  Is this sticking point more important than the original purpose of creating the addon to begin with?  The first thing I learned in my journalism classes in college was, &#8220;it&#8217;s always better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.&#8221;  A little cynical I know, hehe, but if what you are saying is true they aren&#8217;t even asking for forgiveness and that&#8217;s troublesome.  If wowmatrix is truly not honoring these requests then there really isn&#8217;t much else to say.</p>
<p>I do give you credit and appreciate you making yourself available to respond to the blog comments like this.  I just wish, if wowmatrix&#8217;s intentions are pure/honorable/etc, that they would make some kind of public statement.  But maybe their silence is all the response that the community needs.</p>
<p>(Please excuse any spelling or grammar errors, I&#8217;m posting from my bb on my way home.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaelten</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaelten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hostile,

No,  many authors have in the past requested to be removed and were ignored as well.  It is the authors ultimate decision to where they want to host their files.

Many other sites have tried this type of thing in the past and time and again the authors have banded together and issued dmca takedowns and the like to force their property from being distributed without their permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hostile,</p>
<p>No,  many authors have in the past requested to be removed and were ignored as well.  It is the authors ultimate decision to where they want to host their files.</p>
<p>Many other sites have tried this type of thing in the past and time and again the authors have banded together and issued dmca takedowns and the like to force their property from being distributed without their permission.</p>
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		<title>By: hostile</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>hostile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, thanks for the link.

I&#039;d like to hear Xinhuan&#039;s reasoning for not wanting his mod to be available on Wowmatrix though.  I guess I just don&#039;t understand why his mod getting more exposure is a bad thing.  Is this his way of siding with Curse in this whole debacle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, thanks for the link.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear Xinhuan&#8217;s reasoning for not wanting his mod to be available on Wowmatrix though.  I guess I just don&#8217;t understand why his mod getting more exposure is a bad thing.  Is this his way of siding with Curse in this whole debacle?</p>
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		<title>By: Kaelten</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaelten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in case you&#039;re having a hard time finding it, Xinhuan posted:

&quot;Hi, author of Omen here!

I have been told that Omen v3.0.7 is available for download at

oscar5.wowmatrix.com/.../Omen.3.0.7.zip

This is definitely without my permission, as Omen is under no license and is thus &quot;All rights reserved&quot;. Only Curse, WowInterface and French company Canal Jeux VidÃ©o has my permission to distribute Omen.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in case you&#8217;re having a hard time finding it, Xinhuan posted:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi, author of Omen here!</p>
<p>I have been told that Omen v3.0.7 is available for download at</p>
<p>oscar5.wowmatrix.com/&#8230;/Omen.3.0.7.zip</p>
<p>This is definitely without my permission, as Omen is under no license and is thus &#8220;All rights reserved&#8221;. Only Curse, WowInterface and French company Canal Jeux VidÃ©o has my permission to distribute Omen.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaelten</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaelten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hostile, 

I was responding to &quot;Unless wowmatrix is claiming that the addons are their own, and not the original authorâ€™s, then itâ€™s not theftâ€¦&quot;  from your post earlier.

Bottom line they are hosting omen without Xinhuan&#039;s permission.  
Which you can confirm: http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx

This is a clear violation of Xinhaun&#039;s rights.  It is blatantly illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hostile, </p>
<p>I was responding to &#8220;Unless wowmatrix is claiming that the addons are their own, and not the original authorâ€™s, then itâ€™s not theftâ€¦&#8221;  from your post earlier.</p>
<p>Bottom line they are hosting omen without Xinhuan&#8217;s permission.<br />
Which you can confirm: <a href="http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx</a></p>
<p>This is a clear violation of Xinhaun&#8217;s rights.  It is blatantly illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: hostile</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>hostile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went back and re-read Keltean&#039;s post and I may have taken it the wrong way.  If so, my apologies.

That being said, you&#039;re going to have to show me where I said what you are claiming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back and re-read Keltean&#8217;s post and I may have taken it the wrong way.  If so, my apologies.</p>
<p>That being said, you&#8217;re going to have to show me where I said what you are claiming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hostile</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/04/patch-day-psa-wowmatrix-will-no-longer-work/comment-page-2/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>hostile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kaelten

What?!?

http://www.pwnyguild.com/images/omen.jpg

That&#039;s the same author that Curse shows.  Want to try again?

I clicked through about 30 other random mods in Wowmatrix and ALL of them showed the correct author information.

It&#039;s crap like this that makes me not want to believe a word that comes out of the Curse staff&#039;s mouths...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kaelten</p>
<p>What?!?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pwnyguild.com/images/omen.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.pwnyguild.com/images/omen.jpg</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the same author that Curse shows.  Want to try again?</p>
<p>I clicked through about 30 other random mods in Wowmatrix and ALL of them showed the correct author information.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s crap like this that makes me not want to believe a word that comes out of the Curse staff&#8217;s mouths&#8230;</p>
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