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		<title>By: Miss21</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Therefore, these  notices serve as a precaution to the public. ,</description>
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		<title>By: hoho</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>hoho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lotharn
woa you so good</description>
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woa you so good</p>
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		<title>By: Ravs</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t understand the hate towards using healing addons. Grid can give you so much useful information, and a lot faster than the stock UI. At a glance I can see who has aggro, which of my healers have mana, and which people have debuffs that need extra healing/cleansing. I can also tell which players will be in melee range and will need extra healing due to cleaves etc. Having all of this information will make you more proactive, which makes you a better healer. 

I don&#039;t use clique, for the simple reason that it gave me terrible RSI (stupid FoL spam). It did allow for a lot of space to be cleared off my bars to give me easier access to cooldowns. Mouseover macros suffice for me, and have the added bonus of being able to be adaptable to different situations. For instance, you can use the mouseover macro in the blog above to heal the target of target. This is really helpful on targets that bounce around the raid, meaning that you don&#039;t need to watch aggro monitors as closely, or watch the target of target window then try to find that person on your raid frames.

I can&#039;t see the attraction in using the stock UI. It&#039;s cumbersome, it gives less information, and it limits you as a healer. If it works for you, great, but I can pretty much guarentee that if you shift to a healbot/grid setup your effectiveness will go up. As for the people who like the &quot;traditional&quot; way of healing....it&#039;s a game. It&#039;s been around for what, 6 years? That&#039;s like racing in the F1 with a model T. It&#039;s traditional, sure, but you can do so much mroe if you expand your horizons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t understand the hate towards using healing addons. Grid can give you so much useful information, and a lot faster than the stock UI. At a glance I can see who has aggro, which of my healers have mana, and which people have debuffs that need extra healing/cleansing. I can also tell which players will be in melee range and will need extra healing due to cleaves etc. Having all of this information will make you more proactive, which makes you a better healer. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use clique, for the simple reason that it gave me terrible RSI (stupid FoL spam). It did allow for a lot of space to be cleared off my bars to give me easier access to cooldowns. Mouseover macros suffice for me, and have the added bonus of being able to be adaptable to different situations. For instance, you can use the mouseover macro in the blog above to heal the target of target. This is really helpful on targets that bounce around the raid, meaning that you don&#8217;t need to watch aggro monitors as closely, or watch the target of target window then try to find that person on your raid frames.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see the attraction in using the stock UI. It&#8217;s cumbersome, it gives less information, and it limits you as a healer. If it works for you, great, but I can pretty much guarentee that if you shift to a healbot/grid setup your effectiveness will go up. As for the people who like the &#8220;traditional&#8221; way of healing&#8230;.it&#8217;s a game. It&#8217;s been around for what, 6 years? That&#8217;s like racing in the F1 with a model T. It&#8217;s traditional, sure, but you can do so much mroe if you expand your horizons.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me as a holy priest i couldn&#039;t manage without grid + clique.  I used healbot when i first started healing, which is great for 5 mans as you get some nice detailed information and big health bars, but for 25 mans and Wintergrasp i don&#039;t like any of the options for the raid frames.

So i saw grid + clique is a popular combo and thought i&#039;d try that, and now i absolutely love it.  Grid is so configurable so i can prioritise the displaying of debuffs, hots etc that are on the target, see who has aggro, see incoming heals etc.

Using clique is amazing, as i have absolutely all my heals bound to my mouse. Standard left right and middle clicks are flash, greater and binding heals, then using shift for aoe heals (CoH, PoH, holy nova) and control and clicks for instant casts (renew, PoM, shield) then i have special abilities bound to my extra mouse buttons, like divine hymn, guardian spirit.

the awesome thing about having heals bound to my mouse is that:
1) i don&#039;t need to target anyone, so i can keep my target on the boss and see his health at all times.
2) i keep the buttons on my keyboard bound to dps spells so i can easily chuck a few dots on the boss whilst not interrupting my healing at all.

If you haven&#039;t tried the grid + clique combo i&#039;d highly recommend it, very compact, very configurable, made my healing a lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me as a holy priest i couldn&#8217;t manage without grid + clique.  I used healbot when i first started healing, which is great for 5 mans as you get some nice detailed information and big health bars, but for 25 mans and Wintergrasp i don&#8217;t like any of the options for the raid frames.</p>
<p>So i saw grid + clique is a popular combo and thought i&#8217;d try that, and now i absolutely love it.  Grid is so configurable so i can prioritise the displaying of debuffs, hots etc that are on the target, see who has aggro, see incoming heals etc.</p>
<p>Using clique is amazing, as i have absolutely all my heals bound to my mouse. Standard left right and middle clicks are flash, greater and binding heals, then using shift for aoe heals (CoH, PoH, holy nova) and control and clicks for instant casts (renew, PoM, shield) then i have special abilities bound to my extra mouse buttons, like divine hymn, guardian spirit.</p>
<p>the awesome thing about having heals bound to my mouse is that:<br />
1) i don&#8217;t need to target anyone, so i can keep my target on the boss and see his health at all times.<br />
2) i keep the buttons on my keyboard bound to dps spells so i can easily chuck a few dots on the boss whilst not interrupting my healing at all.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t tried the grid + clique combo i&#8217;d highly recommend it, very compact, very configurable, made my healing a lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sciarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sciarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 22:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my mind, healing is all about awareness, judgment, and response time.  Healing addons such as Healbot and VuhDo improve all of these factors for me SIGNIFICANTLY (well, maybe not the judgment bit).  I&#039;m a much, much better healer when using VuhDo than with the default raid frames, and I consider it&#039;s use mandatory for me.  Why is that &quot;bad practice&quot;?  Good on you if you feel you can do as good a job with just the default raid frames, but consider me skeptical.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, healing is all about awareness, judgment, and response time.  Healing addons such as Healbot and VuhDo improve all of these factors for me SIGNIFICANTLY (well, maybe not the judgment bit).  I&#8217;m a much, much better healer when using VuhDo than with the default raid frames, and I consider it&#8217;s use mandatory for me.  Why is that &#8220;bad practice&#8221;?  Good on you if you feel you can do as good a job with just the default raid frames, but consider me skeptical.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Grid, Clique, and Decursive for my healing.  It&#039;s mostly about reaction time, which is something that healers have to worry about far more than the other classes.  A slow reaction time cleansing something could result in a wipe, for instance, and I think that&#039;s one thing Blizz hasn&#039;t really addressed.  They haven&#039;t created a way for healers to have an easy to see way to see if there&#039;s a debuff on a mob that they can remove, and that can gimp a raid.  I think Blizz knows this even, I remember a thread they did a while back asking healers why they used addons, and that was one of the big reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Grid, Clique, and Decursive for my healing.  It&#8217;s mostly about reaction time, which is something that healers have to worry about far more than the other classes.  A slow reaction time cleansing something could result in a wipe, for instance, and I think that&#8217;s one thing Blizz hasn&#8217;t really addressed.  They haven&#8217;t created a way for healers to have an easy to see way to see if there&#8217;s a debuff on a mob that they can remove, and that can gimp a raid.  I think Blizz knows this even, I remember a thread they did a while back asking healers why they used addons, and that was one of the big reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Wenchie</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Wenchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 11:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Having your addons though does not make you a bad player, I know we are better off using them, but I wanted to express that you didnâ€™t HAVE to have them. See what I mean?&quot;

Actually in some cases having Addons IS a necessity. There are absolutely hundreds of disabled players out there that make bloody good players in any role.  The standard Blizzard UI is abysmal, (quite probably to encourage the Addon authors) and for many of these players the placement of the main UI features can make game play incredibly difficult.  

Without the work of Addon authors to make things accessible for them, many players would miss out on playing entirely.  Of course it doesn&#039;t make them any less of a player...some people do require modifications to the default UI in order to play the game in a way that a large amount of players take for granted.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wenchieâ€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mewench.blogspot.com/2009/05/never-forgotten.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Never Forgotten&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Having your addons though does not make you a bad player, I know we are better off using them, but I wanted to express that you didnâ€™t HAVE to have them. See what I mean?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually in some cases having Addons IS a necessity. There are absolutely hundreds of disabled players out there that make bloody good players in any role.  The standard Blizzard UI is abysmal, (quite probably to encourage the Addon authors) and for many of these players the placement of the main UI features can make game play incredibly difficult.  </p>
<p>Without the work of Addon authors to make things accessible for them, many players would miss out on playing entirely.  Of course it doesn&#8217;t make them any less of a player&#8230;some people do require modifications to the default UI in order to play the game in a way that a large amount of players take for granted.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Wenchieâ€™s last blog post..<a href="http://mewench.blogspot.com/2009/05/never-forgotten.html" rel="nofollow">Never Forgotten</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Zusterke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zusterke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 09:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Saravid: if you prefer overheal rather than breaking off your heal (from seeing another incoming heal) and have a dead tank.... then continue your heal. Seeing incoming heals does not kill your tank. It&#039;s how you chose to handle the information that makes the difference. That is probably my biggest concern with the default UI: you cannot chose or prioritize your information.

@Andrea: I agree that you can heal nice without addons. Wow is not a game of infinite complexity or where reaction speed and reflexes can infinitely contribute. But healing is about judgement. To make a judgement you require information and to weigh information. A UI unable to do that, is a UI that does not adapt to your needs.

In the end, it&#039;s about how you wish to play the game.  I want to perfect my techniques to their limit: I have that 80$ mouse with extra precision and speed, daily reflex training, theorycraft to get the most out of my gear and computer tuned for fluent FPS. I need a UI to match this.
And... all these efforts combined make a difference: not infinitely, but it makes a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Saravid: if you prefer overheal rather than breaking off your heal (from seeing another incoming heal) and have a dead tank&#8230;. then continue your heal. Seeing incoming heals does not kill your tank. It&#8217;s how you chose to handle the information that makes the difference. That is probably my biggest concern with the default UI: you cannot chose or prioritize your information.</p>
<p>@Andrea: I agree that you can heal nice without addons. Wow is not a game of infinite complexity or where reaction speed and reflexes can infinitely contribute. But healing is about judgement. To make a judgement you require information and to weigh information. A UI unable to do that, is a UI that does not adapt to your needs.</p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s about how you wish to play the game.  I want to perfect my techniques to their limit: I have that 80$ mouse with extra precision and speed, daily reflex training, theorycraft to get the most out of my gear and computer tuned for fluent FPS. I need a UI to match this.<br />
And&#8230; all these efforts combined make a difference: not infinitely, but it makes a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Tekkub</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Tekkub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, before BC, addons could target and select spells, so all you had to do was click.  That&#039;s where the name &quot;Healbot&quot; came from really, all you did was mash a single key and it did all the &quot;thinking&quot;.  Decursive was the same way, but in all fairness it was almost required.  40 people being cursed at once with a debuff you *need* to remove was a horrible boss mechanic.  Thankfully they realized that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, before BC, addons could target and select spells, so all you had to do was click.  That&#8217;s where the name &#8220;Healbot&#8221; came from really, all you did was mash a single key and it did all the &#8220;thinking&#8221;.  Decursive was the same way, but in all fairness it was almost required.  40 people being cursed at once with a debuff you *need* to remove was a horrible boss mechanic.  Thankfully they realized that.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2009/05/healing-with-addons-bad-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tekkub - Ya know, I forgot about that. I didn&#039;t use Healbot until after BC, but now that you mention it, I guess it did use to automatically choose which spell, and what rank to use. I believe you could also set it up to heal the lowest person first. That is kinda cheater style isn&#039;t it? Didn&#039;t decursive work the same way? It would automatically detect and dispell curses? That&#039;s what I get I guess for having played a Warlock through Vanilla WoW and through half of BC.

Thanks for the correction!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andreaâ€™s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.altoholicsrus.com/2009/05/07/warning-personal-opinions-below/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Warning: Personal Opinions Below&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tekkub &#8211; Ya know, I forgot about that. I didn&#8217;t use Healbot until after BC, but now that you mention it, I guess it did use to automatically choose which spell, and what rank to use. I believe you could also set it up to heal the lowest person first. That is kinda cheater style isn&#8217;t it? Didn&#8217;t decursive work the same way? It would automatically detect and dispell curses? That&#8217;s what I get I guess for having played a Warlock through Vanilla WoW and through half of BC.</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Andreaâ€™s last blog post..<a href="http://www.altoholicsrus.com/2009/05/07/warning-personal-opinions-below/" rel="nofollow">Warning: Personal Opinions Below</a></em></abbr></p>
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