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		<title>By: Etni</title>
		<link>http://www.nostockui.com/2010/01/use-elitist-group-to-find-out-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2154</link>
		<dc:creator>Etni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I see a Ret Paladin wearing a hybrid set of DPS and healing gear, then he’s probably going to be passed over.&quot;

I think EG is definitely and improvement over GearScore, but I think you should also give players a chance to defend their gear choices, specs, augments, etc. before automatically passing them up. For example, my holy priest is using an off-hand that has hit rating. I hate that it has hit rating, but it was a huge upgrade from my old off-hand in terms of intellect and spellpower, so I&#039;m rolling with it until I find something better.

I think as long as people remember these are tools to help accelerate the decision process, we&#039;ll be just fine. I&#039;m getting pretty fed up with all the hype around GS these days though. 

Just yesterday I was going to pug VoA. Someone was advertising an open healing slot, so I messaged him w/my class and spec. He said the position was filled, but then went on to say it was filled by a healer with a 6k gear score. I replied, &quot;that&#039;s fine, but I don&#039;t really care about his GS&quot;. Seriously, what was the relevance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I see a Ret Paladin wearing a hybrid set of DPS and healing gear, then he’s probably going to be passed over.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think EG is definitely and improvement over GearScore, but I think you should also give players a chance to defend their gear choices, specs, augments, etc. before automatically passing them up. For example, my holy priest is using an off-hand that has hit rating. I hate that it has hit rating, but it was a huge upgrade from my old off-hand in terms of intellect and spellpower, so I&#8217;m rolling with it until I find something better.</p>
<p>I think as long as people remember these are tools to help accelerate the decision process, we&#8217;ll be just fine. I&#8217;m getting pretty fed up with all the hype around GS these days though. </p>
<p>Just yesterday I was going to pug VoA. Someone was advertising an open healing slot, so I messaged him w/my class and spec. He said the position was filled, but then went on to say it was filled by a healer with a 6k gear score. I replied, &#8220;that&#8217;s fine, but I don&#8217;t really care about his GS&#8221;. Seriously, what was the relevance?</p>
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		<title>By: Varilyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like best about Elitist Group, as a healer, is that, at the beginning of an instance I can see who is going to be taking the most damage and keep and keep an eye on them specifically. Most of the time my guild runs random Hs and we pug a couple people.  I know my guildies really well so I then just worry about the pugs. GS never really meant anything to me since I&#039;d seen people with 5K+ scores who took tons of damage or just couldn&#039;t play.  EG helps me because I don&#039;t know the gear for all the other classes and now I have a better understanding of what the players are wearing.
I appreciate Elitist Group far more than any of the gear score addons.
I&#039;d also like to say that I have never voted to kick anyone from a group unless they dc&#039;d. Even the pally tank in Gundrak that said at every pull before every boss &quot;I usually die here.&quot;  We made it to Drakkari. Tank and heals lived, barely. I just couldn&#039;t keep dps alive. I didn&#039;t vote then, but I probably should have. 
Hope &quot;I usually die here&quot; is doing better now. He got some good gear from those 2 bosses.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like best about Elitist Group, as a healer, is that, at the beginning of an instance I can see who is going to be taking the most damage and keep and keep an eye on them specifically. Most of the time my guild runs random Hs and we pug a couple people.  I know my guildies really well so I then just worry about the pugs. GS never really meant anything to me since I&#8217;d seen people with 5K+ scores who took tons of damage or just couldn&#8217;t play.  EG helps me because I don&#8217;t know the gear for all the other classes and now I have a better understanding of what the players are wearing.<br />
I appreciate Elitist Group far more than any of the gear score addons.<br />
I&#8217;d also like to say that I have never voted to kick anyone from a group unless they dc&#8217;d. Even the pally tank in Gundrak that said at every pull before every boss &#8220;I usually die here.&#8221;  We made it to Drakkari. Tank and heals lived, barely. I just couldn&#8217;t keep dps alive. I didn&#8217;t vote then, but I probably should have.<br />
Hope &#8220;I usually die here&#8221; is doing better now. He got some good gear from those 2 bosses.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pwnyxpress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pwnyxpress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using the addon for about two weeks now and overall, it hasn&#039;t been super useful to me.  Honesty, I could care less (as a raid leader) who has particular achievements or what they&#039;ve actually cleared.  What I do look for is whether the person has put in the time to get the equipment to withstand the gear checks for high end instances.  We always talk everyone through the encounters anyway so it&#039;s a non-issue the majority of the time.
.-= Pwnyxpress&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://whutcraft.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-to-work-with-two-guilds.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How To Work With Two Guilds&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using the addon for about two weeks now and overall, it hasn&#8217;t been super useful to me.  Honesty, I could care less (as a raid leader) who has particular achievements or what they&#8217;ve actually cleared.  What I do look for is whether the person has put in the time to get the equipment to withstand the gear checks for high end instances.  We always talk everyone through the encounters anyway so it&#8217;s a non-issue the majority of the time.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Pwnyxpress&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://whutcraft.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-to-work-with-two-guilds.html" rel="nofollow">How To Work With Two Guilds</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.nostockui.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Keep in mind when using this that it isn’t entirely indicative of player skill.&quot;

Why do I have a feeling people wont be keeping this in mind when using this add-on.

There is simply no way to judge skill, knowledge; yes, time played; yes, but skill or ability? Never... Unless everyone starts frapsing and uploading there videos to youtube and some sort of in-game youtube player is implemented.

Heh, even the last alone would be awesome.

I digress, I do like the add-on somewhat, reminds me of a cut-down in-game version of wow-heroes, just don&#039;t have a need for it personally.

Oh also, does the idea of people sharing notes about a player scare anyone else? Friends rating friends or someone rating someone else as bad because they just got undercut on the Auction House are two worrying examples that come to mind instantly, especially if this becomes the norm for judging players for pugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Keep in mind when using this that it isn’t entirely indicative of player skill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do I have a feeling people wont be keeping this in mind when using this add-on.</p>
<p>There is simply no way to judge skill, knowledge; yes, time played; yes, but skill or ability? Never&#8230; Unless everyone starts frapsing and uploading there videos to youtube and some sort of in-game youtube player is implemented.</p>
<p>Heh, even the last alone would be awesome.</p>
<p>I digress, I do like the add-on somewhat, reminds me of a cut-down in-game version of wow-heroes, just don&#8217;t have a need for it personally.</p>
<p>Oh also, does the idea of people sharing notes about a player scare anyone else? Friends rating friends or someone rating someone else as bad because they just got undercut on the Auction House are two worrying examples that come to mind instantly, especially if this becomes the norm for judging players for pugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Elvgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elvgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taryble&#039;s post actually gave me hope. Thanks!

All the epeen add ons just annoy the crap out of me. I&#039;d rather run any heroic with an under equipped, inexperienced player with a good attitude than all the idiots out there measuring themselves by the color of their pixels, a misplaced sense of accomplishment, and acting superior.

It saddened me to read Matticus&#039;s comment on the stat confused Pally. Not everyone has the same levels of understanding or time options to get balanced gear sets ... that&#039;s usually why they are badge collecting to begin with.  Rather than pass them by for a simple heroic why not help them out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taryble&#8217;s post actually gave me hope. Thanks!</p>
<p>All the epeen add ons just annoy the crap out of me. I&#8217;d rather run any heroic with an under equipped, inexperienced player with a good attitude than all the idiots out there measuring themselves by the color of their pixels, a misplaced sense of accomplishment, and acting superior.</p>
<p>It saddened me to read Matticus&#8217;s comment on the stat confused Pally. Not everyone has the same levels of understanding or time options to get balanced gear sets &#8230; that&#8217;s usually why they are badge collecting to begin with.  Rather than pass them by for a simple heroic why not help them out?</p>
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		<title>By: Addon &#8211; Elitist Group &#171; Don&#39;t Stand in the Fire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addon &#8211; Elitist Group &#171; Don&#39;t Stand in the Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Taryble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taryble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using this addon since it was originally posted about on MMO-Champ&#039;s Interface/Macros forum.  While it&#039;s nice to check out the gear of the people in randoms, most of my use for it comes from another angle.

I&#039;m the &quot;raid leader&quot; (grandiose name - I feel more like an instructor) for a fairly new levelling+casual guild.  90% of the guildmembers have never raided before in any expansion.  Many of them are just now getting their very first characters to level 80.  I use EG to help me with talking to these new 80s about how to properly gear up, gem up, and choose enchants.  For this alone, I could kiss Shadowed.... er, well, okay, maybe not kiss.  Bro-hug-double-back-tap, definately.  Respect knuckles, most assuredly.  Kiss, probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using this addon since it was originally posted about on MMO-Champ&#8217;s Interface/Macros forum.  While it&#8217;s nice to check out the gear of the people in randoms, most of my use for it comes from another angle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the &#8220;raid leader&#8221; (grandiose name &#8211; I feel more like an instructor) for a fairly new levelling+casual guild.  90% of the guildmembers have never raided before in any expansion.  Many of them are just now getting their very first characters to level 80.  I use EG to help me with talking to these new 80s about how to properly gear up, gem up, and choose enchants.  For this alone, I could kiss Shadowed&#8230;. er, well, okay, maybe not kiss.  Bro-hug-double-back-tap, definately.  Respect knuckles, most assuredly.  Kiss, probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tebla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tebla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how much money you could make, but they, at least, would probably be cool enough to give you credit for the work you put in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much money you could make, but they, at least, would probably be cool enough to give you credit for the work you put in.</p>
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		<title>By: Matticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tebla: Hmm, I wonder if I can make money off of addon recommendations for authors ^^.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tebla: Hmm, I wonder if I can make money off of addon recommendations for authors ^^.</p>
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		<title>By: Tebla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tebla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the author chiming in and alleviating my concerns. And, not one but two posts about this mod. Powerful recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the author chiming in and alleviating my concerns. And, not one but two posts about this mod. Powerful recommendation.</p>
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